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- | A collection of notes about wind assisted / Fair transport.Some vague possibility of this as a connection between older knoeledges | + | A collection of notes about wind assisted / Fair transport.Some vague possibility of this as a connection between older knowledges |
=== Meeting at NSRSail conference in Harlingen=== | === Meeting at NSRSail conference in Harlingen=== | ||
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The main project for NSRsail is the Ecoliner, a sail assisted container transport vessel. | The main project for NSRsail is the Ecoliner, a sail assisted container transport vessel. | ||
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+ | In general, there is a lot of renderings and plans, unfortunately few actual existing projects. Other than Tres Hombres. I hope to add more actual projects below. | ||
==Transcript of notes, extended== | ==Transcript of notes, extended== | ||
- | Film "Ready About" | + | Film "[[http:// |
Leeuwarden will be capital of culture in 2018 and there is interest to carry on some cultural aspect of this project in that context. | Leeuwarden will be capital of culture in 2018 and there is interest to carry on some cultural aspect of this project in that context. | ||
- | Mast shapes is difficult in aluminium or steel. A cheap cylinder can have less that 1% up to 8% losses. | + | Mast shapes is difficult in aluminium or steel. A cheap cylinder can have less than 1% up to 8% losses. |
Early motor driven vessels carried sails as they were a guarantee that the vessels could get through. | Early motor driven vessels carried sails as they were a guarantee that the vessels could get through. | ||
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"Is the expression "Clean Cargo" greenwashing? | "Is the expression "Clean Cargo" greenwashing? | ||
- | Andreas Lackner from Tres Hombres talked about their Fair Transport work. Since 2013 they have reached a break even point. So this is financially sustainable, | + | Andreas Lackner from Tres Hombres talked about their Fair Transport work. Since 2013 they have reached a break even point. So this is financially sustainable, |
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+ | Question about transport in the Baltic / Ostsee: is it somehow greener, due to local legislation or other requirements? | ||
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+ | Carbon credit markets and related topics are difficult. There are various markets.. LNG as a fuel is being considered. There is a problem with split incentives: the owner needs to act, but the charterer pays / saves. There is no existing methodology for (measuring / crediting) fuel savings. Voluntary / Verified Carbon Standard (VCS) is one international system. Given the Ecoliner' | ||
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+ | As efficiencies increase, CO levels go down, but NOx (and perhaps SOx) emissions go up. | ||
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+ | The International Wind Ship Association ([[http:// | ||
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+ | Otto Heinu from [[http:// | ||
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+ | Global Maritime Environment Conference [[http:// | ||
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+ | Fritjof Giese, a Vienna based industrial designer, has set up [[cargosail.com|Cargosail]]. Interestingly, | ||
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+ | Presentation about the Solar Challenge, building solar powered boats. Connections to e-cars. They hydrofoil on solar energy. | ||
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+ | It was claimed / mentioned that Banana boats were the fastest sailing vessels for bringing fresh bananas to Europe. But this might not be real: evidence needed. | ||
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+ | General feeling of a lack of "go to market" | ||
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+ | There is a heavy legislative and regulatory load. Fuel cost cutting has already given 25-33% fuel savings. the low fruit are gone. some costings were thrown around. daily revenues of 5250 Euro. This gives economic viability. Eco advantage is not part of this calculation (which I have not properly noted). The converse question might be: how much hidden oil subsidy is present? Note that banks think sustainability if high risk. | ||
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+ | Three factors: fright/ | ||
- | Question about transport in the Baltic / Ostsee: is it somehow greener, due to local legislation or other requirements? | + | People working on boats think they are invisible. |
- | Carbon credit markets and rerlated topics are difficult. There are various markets.. LNG as a fuel is being considered. There is a problem with split incentives: the owner needs to act, but the charterer pays / saves. There is no existing methodology for (measuring / crediting) fuel savings. Voluntary / Verified Carbon Standard is one international system. Given the Ecoliner' | + | Norwegian pollution funding has led to cleaner shipping. |
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There seems to be a useful series of meetings and work going on. | There seems to be a useful series of meetings and work going on. | ||
- | If I understand, the issue is developing vessels for cargo between | + | If I understand, the issue is developing vessels for cargo between |
One suggested design, similar to the one above: [[http:// | One suggested design, similar to the one above: [[http:// |