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-===Workshop Notes=== +===="Arboreal Identity" Workshop Notes==== 
-workshop on 20121012 and 20121013. participants; Heath Bunting, An Mertens, guillaume neu-rinaudo, reg carremans, karin ulmer, lucia penninckx, els de greef, rasa alksnyte, nik gaffney, maja kuzmanovic. + 
 +  * workshop on 20121012 and 20121013. participants; Heath Bunting, An Mertens, guillaume neu-rinaudo, reg carremans, karin ulmer, lucia penninckx, els de greef, rasa alksnyte, nik gaffney, maja kuzmanovic.  
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 +  * workshop on 20130406 and 20130407. participants: Rasa Alksnyte, Heath Bunting, An Mertens, Karin Ulmer, Christel Dusoleil, Mie Demin, xxxx. 
  
 Concept: Legal identity of trees in period of rapid extinction Concept: Legal identity of trees in period of rapid extinction
  
-Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/sets/72157631828144552/+Photos:  
 +  * http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/sets/72157631828144552/ 
 +  * http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/sets/72157633224778197/ 
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 +====Background, overview, review====
  
-**Day 1**+  * http://status.irational.org/ 
 +  * http://fo.am/identity-bureau/ 
 +  * http://fo.am/blog/2012/07/03/arboreal-identity 
 +  * http://fo.am/blog/2012/10/17/legal-identity-trees-workshop 
 +  * http://bessst.org/en/
  
-Look at trees in Forest de Soignes / Verdronken Kinderen-Enfants Noyés+====Workshop 1: Day 1====
  
-**Different elements of identity** we looked at:+walk and tree identofication in Forest de Soignes / Verdronken Kinderen-Enfants Noyés.  
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 +Different elements of identity we looked at:
   * origin   * origin
   * age   * age
   * gender   * gender
-  * position/postcode+  * position/address/postcode
  
-//- General parameters that create a 'normal' identity://+General parameters that create a 'normal' identity:
  
-* //minimal//: name, date of birth, nationality ~ what's your name? where are you from? how old are you?+  * **minimal** for a natural person: name, date of birth, nationality 
 +  * if you can provide an answer to the questions: "what's your name?", "where are you from?", "how old are you?"
  
--> nationality is complex in general, and also for the tree+Nationality is complex in general, and also for the tree
  
--> can nationality be replaced by citizenship? Or by 'family'/species the tree belongs to?+in some cases nationality could be replaced by citizenship. could this equate to the family or species the tree belongs to?
  
   * //functional//: telephone, email, postal address, gender   * //functional//: telephone, email, postal address, gender
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   * 'What can x do?'   * 'What can x do?'
  
- +proposal to create a 'corporation' around the tree? 
--> create a 'corporation' around the tree? +  * A new legal persona is not necessarily a natural persona 
- +  * Personhood can refer to  
-A new legal persona is not necessarily a natural persona +    * a human being (material essence, for example a person living on the street) 
- +    * a natural person (for example, someone able to produce a state issued ID) 
-Personhood can refer to  +    * an artificial person (a corporation)
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-  * a human being (material essence, person living on the street) +
-  * a natural person (ID) +
-  * an artificial person (corporation)+
  
 Personhood is defined by  Personhood is defined by 
- +  * institutions  
-  * institutions +  * a bureaucratic system 
-  * a bureaucratical system +
   * data: if you have enough data you can find/create meaning -> 'invocation' of persona   * data: if you have enough data you can find/create meaning -> 'invocation' of persona
  
 'Natural and articifial persons' are considered to be the property of a human being, any property can be 'Natural and articifial persons' are considered to be the property of a human being, any property can be
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   * kept   * kept
   * passed on   * passed on
   * destroyed   * destroyed
  
--> we could wrap a corporation around the tree, insert some human dna-fragment in it...+we could wrap a corporation around the tree, insert a human dna-fragment in it...
  
--> if you don't have a birth certificate, you need a story+if you don't have a birth certificate, you need a story...
  
 **How do we proceed?** **How do we proceed?**
 +  - **proto-personhood** for trees: 'law', relationships of management & property
 +  - **philosophical**: why?
 +  - **physicality**: 'functionality', relationships to other people/things
  
-  - "proto-personhood" for trees: 'law', relationships of management & property +A lot of trees have numbers (is there a register? how is it managed?), we can presume all trees have a owner in Belgium but owners may have different status (forest, private property, city of brussels)
-  - "philosophical": why +
-  - "physicality": 'functionality', relationships to other people/things+
  
-A lot of trees have numbers, all trees have a owner in Belgium but with different status (forest, private property, city of bssls)+So maybe interesting to add the parameter of 'owner/user' to the series of tree-parameters and talk about 'lineage' or 'species' instead of nationality
  
-So maybe interesting to add the parameter of 'owner/user' to the series of tree-parameters and talk about 'lineage/species' instead of nationality+Q: who owns it? Who has an interest in using it?
  
--> who owns it? Who has an interest in using it?+A tree is defined by lineage but also by 'the context': a tree in the city will be different, it can be climbed, polluted, dependant on humans ('candle stick' pruning)
  
-A tree is defined by lineage but also by 'the context': a tree in the city will be different, climbed, polluted, dependant on humans (candle stick prunage)...) +Q: where do the seeds come from? where did it grow up?
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--> where do the seeds come from? where did it grow up?+
  
 We make a checklist and look at it from different perspectives We make a checklist and look at it from different perspectives
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-**Day 2**+====Day 2====
  
-- looked at 'Oak du marais' in rue des Minimes, transplanted 6 years ago from somewhere else, serves as a 'bar', a meeting place, lighted by humans, hosts birds...+We looked at an 'Oak du marais' in rue des Minimes. it was transplanted 6 years ago from somewhere else, serves as a 'bar', a meeting place, contains lights from humans, hosts birds...
  
-- look at trees in front of Walvis, planned to be chopped: platans, protest because they are the 2 only trees at that side of the Boulevard (between Yser & Porte de Ninove), and because they will be replaced by 3 new trees planted 3,5 m closer to the bar (effect: the terrace will be half as big)+Look at the plane trees (platane) in front of the Walvis. they are planned to be chopped down, and a local protest was mounted because they are the 2 only trees at that side of the Boulevard (between Yser & Porte de Ninove). There is a plan to replace them with 3 new trees planted 3,5 m closer to the bar (effect: the terrace will be half as big)
  
--// discussion on the 'arboresceal persona'//+====discussion on the 'arboresceal persona'====
  
-We create it and integrate it in our daily language, start taking it into account -> method of 'invocation', it will start to exist +  * We can create it and integrate it in our daily language, start taking it into account -> method of 'invocation', it will start to exist 
- +  * Look at the bigger picture: what if trees have legal identity & rights? How will we live alongside them: as separate entities or as chimera of tree/humans 
-Look at the bigger picture: what if trees have legal identity & rights?  +  * a way to reconnect with trees, restore the natural-human relationship. e.g in some parts of Lithuania it is unthinkeable to cut a tree. 
-How will we co-live with them: as separate entities or as chimera of tree/humans +  * can we create a map of Brussels' forest? 
- +  * do we see artificial arboreality as a business? what does it offer in terms of services (oxygen, fruit, fertile soil) - any shared good is value less in the dominant economic ideology of looking at the world -> maybe think differently? 
--> a way to reconnect with trees, restore the natural-human relationship +  * look into the 'personalities' of the trees 
-f.ex. in Lithuania it is unthinkeable to cut a tree +  * Ecuadorian constitution that has integrated the rights for Nature in the law 
- +  * we are the system: there is no authority imposing a system on us, we're the embodiment of a system, our 'identity' is a position in the system we occupy 
--> create a map of Brussels' forest? +  * Heath's motivation: If we have rules to manage our identity, we can invert the rules to create identity 
- +  * the human being can occupy most echological niches (of species that disappear)
--> see artificial arboreality as a business? what does it offer in terms of services (oxygen, fruit, fertile soil) - any shared good is value less in the dominant economic ideology of looking at the world -> maybe think differently? +
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--> look into the 'personalities' of the trees +
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-Nik reads Ecuador constitution that has integrated the rights for Nature in the law +
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--> we are the system: there is no authority imposing a system on us, we're the embodiment of a system, our 'identity' is a position of the system we occupy +
-Heath's motivation: If we have rules to manage our identity, we can invent the rules to create identity +
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-the human being can occupy most echological niches (of species that disappear)+
  
  
 Next phase: proof of concept, create prototypes Next phase: proof of concept, create prototypes
-  - Look at information & data that exist already +  * Look at information & data that exist already 
-  - question the frequency & absence of parameters, reconceptualize location, speed, appearance of the aboresceal persona+  * question the frequency & absence of parameters, reconceptualize location, speed, appearance of the aboresceal persona
  
  
 +=== books & further reading ====
  
 +UK barrister Bob Colover and Heath Bunting discuss the legal issues around identities. What constitutes a person? What is the difference between an artificial and a natural person? And what are the legal aspects of buying an identity? in "Natural and Artificial Identities, or The Ease of Interaction." A conversation between Heath Bunting (artist), Bob Colover (UK barrister) and Annet Dekker (SKOR) >> http://www.skor.nl/nl/site/item/interview-heath-bunting-bob-colover
  
- +  * Compendium of Symbolic & ritual plants in Europe
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-=== books/reading === +
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-  * Compendium of Symb & ritual plants in Europe+
   * Guide to wild foods   * Guide to wild foods
   * Mycelium running: how mushrooms can help save the world   * Mycelium running: how mushrooms can help save the world
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   * A new green history of the world   * A new green history of the world
   * Deep Survival, Lawrence González   * Deep Survival, Lawrence González
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