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-=====Power of the mud=====+=====Power of the mud - Intersession #2=====
  
-**[[http://michkamelo.wordpress.com|Michka Mélo]], Brussels, September 13th-14th, 2017**+This page relates the parallel advances of the [[:powerofthemud|Power of the Mud]] project made respectively by [[http://zprod.org/|Paul Granjon]] in Cardiff and [[https://fo.am/people/michka.melo/|Michka Melo]] in Brussels between their intensive work session which took place in Cardiff in [[michka:research:microbial_fuel_cells:cardiff6|May 2017]] and [[michka:research:microbial_fuel_cells:cardiff8|September 2017]].
  
 ====Abstract==== ====Abstract====
  
-   * I connected and tested the last version of our Power Harnessing System (PHS) circuit of [[michka:research:microbial_fuel_cells:cardiff6|our last working session in Cardiff]]. +   * Paul prototyped and made a series of clay pots to host our MFCs. 
-   * We saw that the energy bursts provided by the one-transistor version of the PHS circuit to the BBC microbit were quite short because of a mismatch between the nominal charge voltage of the supercap (2.7 V), the minimal power supply voltage of the BBC microbit (1.7 V), and the voltage drop across the circuit (about 1 V). +   * Paul designed the final version of the robots, and built the first one. 
-   * The duration of the BBC microbit activity bursts seems to increase linearily as the capacity of the supercaps increase. +   * Paul started up the MFCs, and performed power tests. 
-   * We also observed that the two-transistor version of the PHS circuit in which the second transistor is activated by the BBC microbit itself does not seem to work, and probably never will, because it seems that the output voltage provided by the BBC microbit cannot be higher than the voltage it is supplied with.+   * Paul wrote our contribution to the V&A Digital Design weekend publication. 
 +   * Michka performed tests on the Power Harnessing System (PHS) circuit. 
 +     * The best circuit we got so far is the following one : 
 +       * the + pin of the power supply is connected to the + pin of the supercapacitor. 
 +       * the + pin of the supercapacitor is connected to the + input pin of the 1381E. 
 +       * the - pin of the supercapacitor is conneced to the ground of the power supply. 
 +       * the - input pin of the 1381E is connected to the ground of the power supply. 
 +       * the output pin of the 1381E is connected to the gate of a KSD5041QTA transistor. 
 +       * the collector of the transistor is connected to the  
 +       * the emitter of the transistor is connected to the 3V pin of the BBC microbit. 
 +       * the ground pin of the BBC microbit is connected to the ground of the power supply. 
 +     * With two 2.8 V 10F supercaps in parallel, we obtain a 56 seconds run of the blinking BBC microbit.
  
-====Tests with resistor-based voltage divider====+====Paul, July 15th==== 
 + 
 +   * Paul made some clay prototyping and cooking in Claire’s oven in the summer, testing a container design for our V&A DIY microbial fuel cells. 
 +   * He will try to make a series in Cardiff University’s ceramic workshop over the summer. 
 + 
 +{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/36922074150/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 + 
 +====Paul, July 31st==== 
 + 
 +   * Paul wrote a first version of our contribution to the V&A Digital Design Weekend documentation. 
 + 
 +{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/37319691335/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 + 
 +====Michka, September 3rd==== 
 + 
 +   * After some logistical tribulations to get a few missing components, Michka tried (and failed) to replicate the power harnessing system circuit designed during our last working session. 
 + 
 +====Paul, September 3rd==== 
 + 
 +   * Paul worked on: 
 +      * Making the new clay pots series for the V&A MFCs. 
 +{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/37319690795/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 +{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/37146968352/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 +        * The clay pots had to cook over 36 hours, the temperature gradually rising to 1200 °C. This high temperature allows for waterproofing of the pots without the use of glaze or additional treatments. 
 +      * Testing stainless-steel-scrubbers electrodes - which at least partially worked. 
 +        * Over the long term, they seem to work as well as the test battery with graphite felt electrodes. 
 +      * Designing & prototyping the robotic system design 
 +{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/37319691035/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 +         * The current structure is made of two BBC microbit modules which communicate, placed in a clay/metal structure. 
 + 
 +====Paul, September 5th==== 
 + 
 +   * Paul sent Michka [[https://biotechnologyforbiofuels.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13068-017-0881-2|an article]] on GMO Shewanella optimized to digest xylose, and produce more electricity thanks to this new source of food. 
 + 
 +====Paul, September 7th==== 
 + 
 +   * Paul made a quick prototype of the horizontally-moving part of the robot, which runs at 1.9 V. 
 +{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/37146968152/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 + 
 +====Michka, September 13th==== 
 + 
 +===Tests with resistor-based voltage divider===
  
    * FoAM's power supply does not go below 2.8 V of voltage.    * FoAM's power supply does not go below 2.8 V of voltage.
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    * I will therefore not present here the hectic results of these first tests.    * I will therefore not present here the hectic results of these first tests.
  
-====Tests directly powered by the power supply====+====Michka, September 14th==== 
 + 
 +===Tests directly powered by the power supply===
  
-===Test #1 - 1381E only===+==Test #1 - 1381E only==
  
    * When powering the 1381E voltage detector directly with the power supply (power supply + pin on 1381E pin 2, power supply - pin on 1381E pin 3, we obtain a 2.8V voltage on its output pin (pin 1), which is the same value as the one measured between the + and - pins of the power supply.    * When powering the 1381E voltage detector directly with the power supply (power supply + pin on 1381E pin 2, power supply - pin on 1381E pin 3, we obtain a 2.8V voltage on its output pin (pin 1), which is the same value as the one measured between the + and - pins of the power supply.
  
-===Test #2 - 1381E powering BBC microbit directly===+==Test #2 - 1381E powering BBC microbit directly==
  
    * When connecting the BBC microbit 3V pin to the output pin of the 1381E (the GND pin of the BBC microbit being connected to the - pin of the power supply), the BBC microbit does not light up.  The measured voltage on the output pin of the 1381E is 0.64 V.    * When connecting the BBC microbit 3V pin to the output pin of the 1381E (the GND pin of the BBC microbit being connected to the - pin of the power supply), the BBC microbit does not light up.  The measured voltage on the output pin of the 1381E is 0.64 V.
    * It seems that the 1381E does not supply enough current to its output pin to power the BBC microbit.    * It seems that the 1381E does not supply enough current to its output pin to power the BBC microbit.
  
-===Test #3 - 1381E controlling 2N3904, which powers BBC microbit===+==Test #3 - 1381E controlling 2N3904, which powers BBC microbit==
  
    * When connecting the gate of the 2N3904 to the output pin of the 1381E, then 2N3904's collector to the + of the power supply, and the 2N3904's emitter to the + of the BBC microbit, it does light up.    * When connecting the gate of the 2N3904 to the output pin of the 1381E, then 2N3904's collector to the + of the power supply, and the 2N3904's emitter to the + of the BBC microbit, it does light up.
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    * We can measure an overall -0.98 V voltage drop between the power supply + pin and the BBC microbit + pin, through the 1381E (2.80-2.64=0.16 V) and the 2N3904 (2.64-1.82=0.82 V).    * We can measure an overall -0.98 V voltage drop between the power supply + pin and the BBC microbit + pin, through the 1381E (2.80-2.64=0.16 V) and the 2N3904 (2.64-1.82=0.82 V).
  
-===Test #4 - Power supply feeding 1F supercap, powering the circuit===+==Test #4 - Power supply feeding 1F supercap, powering the circuit==
  
    * When connecting a 1F 2.7 V supercap in parallel of the power supply, we obtain the same values as in test #3.    * When connecting a 1F 2.7 V supercap in parallel of the power supply, we obtain the same values as in test #3.
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      * the voltage on the + pin of the power supply goes below 2.76 V.      * the voltage on the + pin of the power supply goes below 2.76 V.
    *     * 
-===Test #5 - Power supply feeding 3F supercap, powering the circuit===+==Test #5 - Power supply feeding 3F supercap, powering the circuit==
  
    * When connecting a 3F 2.7 V supercap in parallel of the power supply, we obtain the same values as in test #3.    * When connecting a 3F 2.7 V supercap in parallel of the power supply, we obtain the same values as in test #3.
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      * the voltage on the + pin of the power supply goes below 2.67 V.      * the voltage on the + pin of the power supply goes below 2.67 V.
  
-===Test #6 - Power supply feeding 10F supercap, powering the circuit===+==Test #6 - Power supply feeding 10F supercap, powering the circuit==
  
    * When connecting a 10F 2.7 V supercap in parallel of the power supply, we obtain the same values as in test #3.    * When connecting a 10F 2.7 V supercap in parallel of the power supply, we obtain the same values as in test #3.
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      * the voltage on the + pin of the power supply goes below 2.67 V.      * the voltage on the + pin of the power supply goes below 2.67 V.
  
-===Test #7 - Adding an additional 2N3904 transistor controlled by the BBC micro itself===+==Test #7 - Adding an additional 2N3904 transistor controlled by the BBC micro itself==
  
    * We add up a second NPN 2N3904 transistor, which base is connected to the 0 output line of the BBC microbit. The BBC microbit outputs a 1023 (max value) analog signal to its 0 output line to activate the gate of this transistor. The collector of this transistor is connected to the + of the power supply, and the emitter to the + of the BBC microbit.     * We add up a second NPN 2N3904 transistor, which base is connected to the 0 output line of the BBC microbit. The BBC microbit outputs a 1023 (max value) analog signal to its 0 output line to activate the gate of this transistor. The collector of this transistor is connected to the + of the power supply, and the emitter to the + of the BBC microbit. 
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    * This circuit typology therefore cannot work.    * This circuit typology therefore cannot work.
  
-===Test #8 - Higher power supply voltage===+==Test #8 - Higher power supply voltage==
  
    * We clearly see from tests #3 and following that one of main issues reducing the autonomy of the BBC microbit is the voltage drop between the  power supply and the BBC microbit (about 1 V). When charging the supercap to its nominal voltage of 2.7 V, this brings us to 1.7 V at the 3V pin of the BBC microbit, at which the BBC microbit barely lights up.    * We clearly see from tests #3 and following that one of main issues reducing the autonomy of the BBC microbit is the voltage drop between the  power supply and the BBC microbit (about 1 V). When charging the supercap to its nominal voltage of 2.7 V, this brings us to 1.7 V at the 3V pin of the BBC microbit, at which the BBC microbit barely lights up.
    * We tried to overcharge the supercap at 4.0 V to measure how much the voltage drop across the circuit would be, but the supercap overheated quite a bit, so we stopped the experiment to prevent explosion.    * We tried to overcharge the supercap at 4.0 V to measure how much the voltage drop across the circuit would be, but the supercap overheated quite a bit, so we stopped the experiment to prevent explosion.
  
-===Test #9 - 1381E characterization===+==Test #9 - 1381E characterization==
  
    * Our power supply not going below 2.8 V, it was tricky to check the max and min activation threshold of our 1381E.    * Our power supply not going below 2.8 V, it was tricky to check the max and min activation threshold of our 1381E.
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      * The voltage drop between the + input pin voltage and the output voltage seems to be around -0.15 to -0.2 V.      * The voltage drop between the + input pin voltage and the output voltage seems to be around -0.15 to -0.2 V.
  
-====Discussion, conclusion, future work====+===Discussion & conclusion===
  
    * The current typology of the one-transistor version of the circuit does not give the BBC microbit a long autonomy because there is a mismatch between the nominal charge voltage of the supercap, the minimal power supply voltage of the BBC microbit, and the voltage drop across the circuit. Possible options to overcome these pitfalls include :    * The current typology of the one-transistor version of the circuit does not give the BBC microbit a long autonomy because there is a mismatch between the nominal charge voltage of the supercap, the minimal power supply voltage of the BBC microbit, and the voltage drop across the circuit. Possible options to overcome these pitfalls include :
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    * We could also try out what happens when we change the 1381E to 1381J.    * We could also try out what happens when we change the 1381E to 1381J.
  
-===Test #10 - Changing the transistors===+====Paul, September 14th====
  
-   * Results to be transcribed from notes. +   * Paul filled up the 13 batteries a few days ago. 
-   * (Spoiler : the KSD5041QTA is the best transistor I have for this regard.)+{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/37146967402/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 +{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/37319690935/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 +   * This morning : 
 +      * Two of them do not work. 
 +      * One has a voltage of 0.13 V. 
 +      * The others have a voltage between 0.55 and 0.76 V. 
 +{{>http://www.flickr.com/photos/foam/36506067793/  ?maxwidth=400}}\\ 
 +      * When combining all in series, Paul measures 5.7 V, which allows to run the BBC microbit displaying text during 1 to 2 minutes ! 
 + Video : powerOfTheMudShortEdit
  
-===Test #11 - Switching the 1381E for 1381J===+====Michka, September 15th==== 
 + 
 +==Test #10 - Changing the transistors== 
 + 
 +   * I tested several transistors I had on a shelf after my unfortunate joule thief experiments. 
 +   * I replaced the 2N3904 with each of them and watched how the circuit performed. 
 +     * Regarding the SS850BBN transistor: 
 +       * The voltage at the + pin of the power supply was 2.81 V. 
 +       * The voltage at the 3V pin of the BBC microbit was 1.98 V. 
 +       * The voltage at the output pin of the 1381E was 2.69 V. 
 +       * The collector-emitter voltage drop was 0.71 V. 
 +       * When running the BBC microbit on the supercap, the BBC microbit stopped to work when the voltage across the supercap reached 2.51 V, after about 16 seconds operation. 
 +     * Regarding the BC63916 transistor: 
 +       * The voltage at the + pin of the power supply was 2.81 V. 
 +       * The voltage at the output pin of the 1381E was 2.71 V. 
 +       * The voltage at the 3V pin of the BBC microbit was 1.98 V. 
 +       * The collector-emitter voltage drop was 0.73 V. 
 +     * Regarding the KSD5041QTA transistor: 
 +       * The voltage at the + pin of the power supply was 2.81 V. 
 +       * The voltage at the output pin of the 1381E was 2.75 V. 
 +       * The voltage at the 3V pin of the BBC microbit was 2.09 V. 
 +       * The collector-emitter voltage drop was 0.66 V. 
 +       * When running the BBC microbit on the supercap, the BBC microbit stopped to work when the voltage across the supercap reached 2.41 V, after about 25 seconds operation. 
 +   * **Conclusion : the KSD5041QTA is the transistor which allows the longest run time for the BBC microbit.** 
 + 
 +==Test #11 - Switching the 1381E for 1381J==
  
    * The 1381J voltage detector does not trigger at 2.8 V, probably because the voltage is too low, we therefore get a 0 voltage on the 1381J output, and a 0 voltage on the BBC microbit 3V power supply pin.    * The 1381J voltage detector does not trigger at 2.8 V, probably because the voltage is too low, we therefore get a 0 voltage on the 1381J output, and a 0 voltage on the BBC microbit 3V power supply pin.
-   * Conclusion : using the 1381J does not improve the autonomy of the BBC microbit.+   * **Conclusion : using the 1381J does not improve the autonomy of the BBC microbit.**
  
-===Test #12 - Changing the BBC microbit output mode from analog to digital===+==Test #12 - Changing the BBC microbit output mode from analog to digital==
  
    * I modified the code of the BBC microbit to have set a '1' digital output on pin 1.    * I modified the code of the BBC microbit to have set a '1' digital output on pin 1.
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    * When powered through our one-transistor circuit, we obtain 1,75 V on pin 1, the same as on (analog) pin 0, input power pin 3V being powered at 1,84 V.    * When powered through our one-transistor circuit, we obtain 1,75 V on pin 1, the same as on (analog) pin 0, input power pin 3V being powered at 1,84 V.
      * We therefore cannot hope that the BBC microbit will open the gate of the second transistor controlling the line powering itself, as the gate voltage will always be a little bit lower than the emitter voltage in this version of a two-transistors circuit.      * We therefore cannot hope that the BBC microbit will open the gate of the second transistor controlling the line powering itself, as the gate voltage will always be a little bit lower than the emitter voltage in this version of a two-transistors circuit.
-   * Conclusion : using the digital output of the BBC microbit does not improve the autonomy of the BBC microbit.+   * **Conclusion : using the digital output of the BBC microbit does not improve the autonomy of the BBC microbit.** 
 + 
 +====Michka, September 16th====
  
-===Test #13 - Changing the supercapacitors===+==Test #13 - Changing the supercapacitors==
  
-   * For some with higher nominal charge voltage - Experiment still to be performed. +   * For some with higher nominal charge voltage ? 
-   * For some with higher capacity - Experiment still to be performed.+   * For some with higher capacity ?
    * Elak needed one week delivery to provide supercaps, so experiment cancelled for now...    * Elak needed one week delivery to provide supercaps, so experiment cancelled for now...
-   * But, in the shower, a light bulb sprouted on top of my head. To increase the operation voltage of the circuit or the overall capacity, I could just pile up supercapacitors !!!+   * But, in the shower, an idea occured to me: to increase the operation voltage of the circuit or the overall capacity, I could just pile up supercapacitors !!!
    
-===Test #14 - Piling up supercapacitors in series===+==Test #14 - Piling up supercapacitors in series==
  
    * I put two 2.7 V 10F supercapacitors in series, and charged them up to the point where the power-feeding 3V pin of the BBC microbit would be fed with 3.02 V. This means that :    * I put two 2.7 V 10F supercapacitors in series, and charged them up to the point where the power-feeding 3V pin of the BBC microbit would be fed with 3.02 V. This means that :
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    * Nota bene : this test has been performed with a KSD5041, our best transistor so far, and not with a 2N3904.    * Nota bene : this test has been performed with a KSD5041, our best transistor so far, and not with a 2N3904.
    * Another measurement of voltage across each of the supercaps gave a 0.48 + 3.20 repartition, the one closer to the - pin of the power supply being the most charged.     * Another measurement of voltage across each of the supercaps gave a 0.48 + 3.20 repartition, the one closer to the - pin of the power supply being the most charged. 
-   * The charge repartition is therefore quite different than the one measured on the first test. +     * The charge repartition is therefore quite different than the one measured on the first test. 
-   * It therefore seems quite a random repartition... +     * It therefore seems quite a random repartition... 
-   * Further tests : +   * Autonomy of blinking BBC microbit (+ max analog output on P0 and max digital output on P1) with 2N3904 is 37 sec, 46 s with KSD5041.
-     * Try with the 2N3904 and see how long it stays on.+
  
-===Test #15 - Piling up supercapacitors in parallel===+==Test #15 - Piling up supercapacitors in parallel==
  
    * I put two 2.7 V 10F supercapacitors in series, and charged them up to the usual 2.8V minimal voltage of the power supply.    * I put two 2.7 V 10F supercapacitors in series, and charged them up to the usual 2.8V minimal voltage of the power supply.
    * We had a brilliant 60 seconds autonomy of the blinking BBC microbit.    * We had a brilliant 60 seconds autonomy of the blinking BBC microbit.
    * As the supercaps might start to discharge already when there voltage reaches 2.55 V, which seems to be the light-up "rising" voltage of the 1381E according to our (lousy) characterization (Test #9), we measured the autonomy of the blinking BBC microbit from 2,55 V to shut-down : 30 seconds.    * As the supercaps might start to discharge already when there voltage reaches 2.55 V, which seems to be the light-up "rising" voltage of the 1381E according to our (lousy) characterization (Test #9), we measured the autonomy of the blinking BBC microbit from 2,55 V to shut-down : 30 seconds.
-   * Further tests : +   * Autonomy of blinking BBC microbit (+ max analog output on P0 and max digital output on P1) with 2N3904 is 13 sec, but reaches 58 s with KSD5041. 
-     * Try with the 2N3904 and see how long it stays on.+ 
 +==Test #16 - Determine at which voltage the 1381E lights up during parallel two-supercaps charge== 
 + 
 +   * The BBC microbit seems to light up when the voltmeter shows 2.67 V on the + pin of the power supply. 
 + 
 +====Paul, September 16th==== 
 + 
 +   * Paul finalized the rail-based robot. 
 +   * Paul finalized the ceramic container for the second robot, which ended its oven cooking over the afternoon. 
 +   * Paul plugged a 10 F supercap on the 12 working clay MFCs. 
 +     * It charged up to 1.8 V in 6 hours. 
 +     * Afterwards, it only charged 1 mV every 3 minutes. 
 +   * When plugging directly our first robot on the batteries, nothing happens. 
 +   * When connected to the power supply, the robot consumes about 100 mA at 2 V. 
 +   * Microbit alone displays text for about one minute in the same configuration. 
 + 
 +====Paul, September 18th==== 
 + 
 +   * The 10 F supercap plugged on the batteries reached 2.690 V 23 hours after being put to charge. It had an initial voltage before charge of 0.35 V, when the batteries without any load where giving 5.9 V. 
 +   * This 10 F charge made the first V&A robot run for seven minutes. 
 +   * When the robot stopped, the 10 F supercap was still giving 1.667 V. 
 +   * Paul wants to try to replace the 10 F supercap for a 0.22 F supercap, which would allow 12 seconds operation for 40 times less charging time. 
 +   * Paul is also preparing : 
 +     * a manual charging system for the V&A installation for demonstration purposes 
 +     * a simple switch which will allow us to control ourself the charge/discharge pattern, with terminals for voltmeter measurement
  
-===Test #16 - Testing again the two-transistor Solarbot design===+====Possible future tests====
  
-Experiment still to be performed.+   * Test autonomy while running a motor on BBC microbit 
 +   * Try again the two-transistors topology with parallel two-supercaps charge 
 +   * Testing again the two-transistor Solarbot design
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